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ogdeathgrind
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:53 am Reply with quote
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Whenever I browse metal forums looking for opinions on metal amps I always see a lot of buzz about the powerball and fireball. Are these amps the kings of metal tone? If not, which (mass produced) amp do you think has the best sounding tone for metal?

I've also heard good things about Soldano hotrods, VHT Standards and Diezel herbert. Mesa, Peavey and Marshall are cool, but I think these brands sound tired and dated compared to what the ENGL powerballs bring to the stage. The low end is tight and thick and the highs are bright and rounded with a good amount of mid range crunch. Mesa use to be known for the huge low end, and peavey and marshall was the awesome mid range crunch, but ENGL really combines the best of best qualities/characteristics needed for low end/higain sounds.

http://www.musicradar.com/hotproducts/video/namm-2010-powerball-ii-and-fireball-amps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EH6PM77zCw skip to about 2:20, don't judge his skill just use it as a demo.
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ogdeathgrind
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:36 am Reply with quote
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I was just reading the specs on the PB2, and I wonder if you just swapped these tubes with those in a cheaper amp like a 5150 (w/ a decent cab), if you would get as killer of tone?

Technical Data:
Rated power: approx. 100 watts at 4, 8 or 16 ohms;
Tubes: V5 (Input -Tube): ECC 83 / 12AX7, FQ selected;
V6, V7: ECC 83 / 12AX7 selected;
V8: ECC 83 / 12AX7, standard;
V1 - V4: 6L6GC matched sets.

http://www.engl-amps.com/manuals/e645-om.pdf
I couldn't find the PB2 pdf, but I'm pretty sure the specs are pretty similar to the original e645 PB. The PB2 just seems like a face-lift of the the original.


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tormentinfire
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:20 am Reply with quote
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No one cares, thread sucks.
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ogdeathgrind
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:59 pm Reply with quote
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No one is forcing you to reply, just ignore my threads if they annoy you so much.

I think that Mesa/Peavey/Marshall are great amps but they are using ancient technology in comparison. Some of the amps mentioned come equipped with modern modeling and filters like built in noise gates.

When you compare all of the amps available and look at it from a price standpoint and versatility, the Line6 PODx3 v2.0 must be one of, if not the best piece of gear for metal-musicians. It's very simple to use for recording and has a wide range of realistic modeling/emulation and for a very good price which is crucial if you are a broke ass metal head. But more importantly, it has the best sustain and cleanest 'bite you can get and waaaay too many features to geek out on.

I've also seen a few people on youtube using the DI to connect to their tube/combo amp, which i very cool! The amount of detail you can get in to is just endless.
http://line6.com/podx3/
Compare what this can do to ANY amp on the market in terms of versatility, ease of use and cost efficiency. However, I do not recommend their stage amps because I find them to be poorly made as a few spider 3 heads have blown on me. I love the spider3 practice amps though, very decent sound and lots of features for a great price. But man, the manufacturers at Line6 really understand how to get that thick, clean, high-attack gain sound. Has great sustain and voicing... amazing for metal.

What do you guys think of the Bogner/Line6 amp Spider Valve?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTc8wydJOMo&feature=fvw


This kind of technology gets me excited because of the amount of possibilities for tweaking the guitar sounds.

400 presets (modeled amps)
40w Bogner-designed 12AX7 preamp and 6L6 power amp
v30's
2 581
has pod in/di out
http://line6.com/spidervalvemkii/


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ogdeathgrind
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:49 pm Reply with quote
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Randall Kirk Hammett Signature Amp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKihNQ44dDQ

wow they really suck at recording audio for a 'pro' guitar magazine. The gain is all muffled and muddy, they didn't capture either higain sounds well at all.
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ogdeathgrind
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:20 pm Reply with quote
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AMP SHOTOUT:

Mesa Dual Rectifier Roadster Head
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUkvbc2HFgg&feature=related

Peavey 6505 Plus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjDhPxvidaE&feature=related

EVH 5150 III:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzJsSdSwztE&feature=related

Rivera Knucklehead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWsk97vyVVs&feature=related

Hughes & Kettner TriAmp MKII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSqoakl8EnM&feature=related

KRANK Revolution One Plus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxM0e-Fx2fc&feature=related

ENGL Powerball
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b1EfPWoMuI&feature=related

Marshall JVM410H
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzxpBwsUpBw&feature=related

Fuck the marshall jvm actually sounds really good!
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Grey Sublime Archon
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:32 pm Reply with quote
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tormentinfire wrote:
No one cares, thread sucks.
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ogdeathgrind
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:33 pm Reply with quote
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Although I must say that that shootout isn't the greatest representation because they obviously weren't using the best preamps and mics and some of the cabs were not very good either, like the xxl. They should have use an api/neve preamp with a u87/sm57 on all of the same cabs, or test each amp on a few different cabs. like orange, mesa, vader, and 1960a but just use it a loose demo of the characteristics.
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scotty
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who are you talking to?
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ogdeathgrind
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scotty wrote:
who are you talking to?



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Chthonian
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:57 pm Reply with quote
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That sounded fucking terrible!
I just tried my friend's 6505+ and it didn't sound anything like that.

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tormentinfire
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This is now the saddest thread in the world.
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ogdeathgrind
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:26 pm Reply with quote
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Chthonian wrote:

That sounded fucking terrible!
I just tried my friend's 6505+ and it didn't sound anything like that.


Yeah, I've tried a 6505 and an EVH as well and they definitely sound better in person, but the ENGLs probably would sound the best in a live situation out of all of the choices.
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:55 pm Reply with quote
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Try taking a breath between these longass posts and let people besides igor respond. Otherwise not just one post becomes a little tl;dr, but the whole thread just becomes generally undesirable.

Also, tl;dr.
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